tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post7471298505283496418..comments2024-02-12T17:59:33.534-06:00Comments on RAZORED ZEN: Writing Class on Style: APA Style That Is:Charles Gramlichhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02052592247572253641noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-73365292863551122172010-01-29T17:22:47.242-06:002010-01-29T17:22:47.242-06:00Oh man, that's just classic! My biggest proble...Oh man, that's just classic! My biggest problem is that some of my students don't know if they are using APA, MLA or Chicago! I tell them about this nifty invention called Zotero. It cites for you and has a 98% accuracy record. I mean a computer program that cites for you and they still get it wrong? There's no hope for some!Ello - Ellen Ohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18311917335471167591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-74114867581280370322010-01-28T19:49:13.947-06:002010-01-28T19:49:13.947-06:00X-Dell, I think some students have been so coddled...X-Dell, I think some students have been so coddled throughout most of their life that they've never really been held responsible for their actions, and this fellow was probably one of those. It's probably different for different students, though. Yes, The Saints will be tested but I'm hoping for a good game.<br /><br />Aimless writer, yes, I remember well my son in a few cases.Charles Gramlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052592247572253641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-32823601558428343102010-01-28T13:25:00.726-06:002010-01-28T13:25:00.726-06:00lol
I love it when they listen. Anyone who has kid...lol<br />I love it when they listen. Anyone who has kids can relate.Aimlesswriterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03012050763172251381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-39402734321072760172010-01-28T12:47:34.323-06:002010-01-28T12:47:34.323-06:00Let's see. Because I'm one of those inter...Let's see. Because I'm one of those interdisciplinary interlopers (as one of my profs calls us), I've written papers in APA, MLA, ASA and Luper formats. Interesting to note, there are now software add-ons that help the writer put a paper into the necessary style, although they're cumbersome to use (actually knowing the format is easier). <br /><br />I guess the real point, though is that a student sat in your class all semester without thinking that you meant what you said. It kinda reminds me of those people who like to boast that they learned nothing in college. He decided he already knew all that he should know, and simply decided that your style requirement was capricious, arbitrary, et cetera. What he didn't realize, though, is that there's a purpose for style guides. <br /><br />Do you think he learned the value of style guides? Or do you think he learned the value of avoiding psychology classes?<br /><br />BTW, congratulations on your Saints. Since they're in the Superbowl now, there's good reason to think of them playing for the championship--although the Colts will be a very tough test for them.X. Dellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17561609651507566271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-15837704091249809322010-01-28T08:12:15.964-06:002010-01-28T08:12:15.964-06:00jennifer, I get a lot of "buts," but mos...jennifer, I get a lot of "buts," but most of the time it just makes the person saying it seem like a "butt."<br /><br />Merisi, thanks, I appreciate that.<br /><br /><br />Mark, I have an older brother who has a Ph.D. in agrichemistry. He spent most of his life developing fertilizers and that sort of thing. He didn't go into academia, but school seems to fit my life.Charles Gramlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052592247572253641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-64609061057429501292010-01-28T05:24:22.829-06:002010-01-28T05:24:22.829-06:00I was just curious because my father had his M.A. ...I was just curious because my father had his M.A. in Pharmacology and his PhD, in Chemical Engineering. He wound up with Chrysler developing plastics and different compounds and polymers for automotive use.the walking manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10058913927297370740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-33410850916633967472010-01-28T03:46:09.705-06:002010-01-28T03:46:09.705-06:00Razored Zen rules! :-)
Thank you for being the kin...Razored Zen rules! :-)<br />Thank you for being the kind of teacher I'd want my children to have!<br /><br />(Commenters like Cullen Gallagher and The Walking Man have already said more and expressed it better than I ever could.)Merisihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16781937797213521146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-43126902858775264242010-01-27T23:47:44.921-06:002010-01-27T23:47:44.921-06:00Rude awakening for that student.
I get so mad a...Rude awakening for that student. <br /><br />I get so mad at "Yeah, but..." - it just screams 'I don't have to listen to you.' When my kids start that I nip it in the bud and give them the old "Do NOT talk back to me."jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08547226679311827501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-43263379083487393262010-01-27T22:05:40.097-06:002010-01-27T22:05:40.097-06:00Lana, indeed.
David, that's the gist of it.Lana, indeed.<br /><br />David, that's the gist of it.Charles Gramlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052592247572253641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-35964765433924381912010-01-27T22:01:25.728-06:002010-01-27T22:01:25.728-06:00Yeah, his answer is such a cop out. Then again, I ...Yeah, his answer is such a cop out. Then again, I may have used it once or twice myself. That's one of several standard student responses. The actual answer should have been "I'm lazy and am hoping you will allow me to slide by."David Cranmerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04749857752139212888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-47971363586414664332010-01-27T21:10:32.377-06:002010-01-27T21:10:32.377-06:00Yes, but...he's a dumbass.Yes, but...he's a dumbass.Lana Gramlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06975996208260144558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-56940352100487371172010-01-27T18:16:05.091-06:002010-01-27T18:16:05.091-06:00Erik, Yeah, a lot of physio journals actually use ...Erik, Yeah, a lot of physio journals actually use different style from APA so I have to convert a lot but I don't get too worried about it.<br /><br />benjibopper, I think he just didn't listen, didn't think it was important, and then was trying anything he could think of to be let off for his mistake.<br /><br />jodi, there are so many places though where if you don't follow the submission rules you can't even get your foot in the door. Academia is often like that. I don't always approve but in teaching our students I really have to enforce the rules or see them handicapped.<br /><br />laughingwolf, unfortunately, there's a new one who has to learn it every year.Charles Gramlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052592247572253641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-5218418543803886272010-01-27T17:33:11.337-06:002010-01-27T17:33:11.337-06:00'rules are for everybody, BUT me', seems t...'rules are for everybody, BUT me', seems to be his attitude... <br /><br />serves him right! lollaughingwolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08873675614347328116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-19487124136531515412010-01-27T17:03:27.707-06:002010-01-27T17:03:27.707-06:00Charles, thank the good Lord I am not a student. I...Charles, thank the good Lord I am not a student. I have so much trouble coloring within the lines...jodihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01798858210138821711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-75432881344762756122010-01-27T16:09:47.628-06:002010-01-27T16:09:47.628-06:00wow, i wonder what he thought you DID mean? were y...wow, i wonder what he thought you DID mean? were you using a sarcastic tone of voice or something?Chris Benjaminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00402945887045545024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-61695269131420766172010-01-27T14:08:14.583-06:002010-01-27T14:08:14.583-06:00Very funny. Consistency is the thing. I used to pr...Very funny. Consistency is the thing. I used to prefer stuff like the <i>Chicago Manual of Style</i> but -- whatever's called for by the "boss," and whatever works according to assignment.Erik Donald Francehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02332500850365598564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-49483407350457258692010-01-27T12:30:19.418-06:002010-01-27T12:30:19.418-06:00Bernardl, I'm laughing about it 'now."...Bernardl, I'm laughing about it 'now." At the time it was a bit frustrating.<br /><br />Voidwalker, I looked at him with a totally flabbergasted look.<br /><br />Pattinase, I don't like footnotes at all really. I much prefer end notes, although most of the time I think there are ways to work the material into the text itself without breaking the flow.Charles Gramlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052592247572253641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-64713314729179804272010-01-27T11:59:58.533-06:002010-01-27T11:59:58.533-06:00I don't know what format they use for notes, b...I don't know what format they use for notes, but I hate footnotes in the middle of sentences. It just encourages bad writing by breaking it up with references.pattinase (abbott)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02916037185235335846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-80093213059297725702010-01-27T11:09:11.510-06:002010-01-27T11:09:11.510-06:00LOL... "I didn't think you meant it."...LOL... "I didn't think you meant it." That's classic.<br /><br />It's a tough lesson to learn, following directions, but life won't be any easier on him than you were. Hopefully he learned the lesson.Voidwalkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06688751100806767843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-25755253008022295212010-01-27T10:19:42.630-06:002010-01-27T10:19:42.630-06:00"Yes, but I didn't think you meant it.&qu..."Yes, but I didn't think you meant it."<br /><br />LOL!BernardLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09722619048888613647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-78970265920584283302010-01-27T09:46:25.650-06:002010-01-27T09:46:25.650-06:00Cullen Gallagher, that's the key thing, to all...Cullen Gallagher, that's the key thing, to allow one to follow the research someone else has done, and to locate their sources. It also takes some of variability out of formats so that the focus can be more on the content.<br /><br /><br />David J. West, I've also relayed that story to all my classes since where I have papers. It seems to have sunk in, at least most of the time.<br /><br />Harry Markov, I know. I hate when that kind of thing happens but the student really has no one but themselves to blame.<br /><br />Mark, I do have a Ph.D., and an M.A. They are both for experimental psychology, with a specialization in biological psychology. I ended up teaching the pharmacology class here because of my bio background and the fact that Xavier fired the faculty member who normally taught that class after Katrina. Before I went to school, though, I was a farm kid in rural Arkansas.<br /><br />Steve Malley, students are like anyone else in the world. Some are really good. Most are sort of average, and some are really not good at all.<br /><br />ivan, "a tern unstoned." That would be worth the price of the paper by itself. I've never really written much in journalistic style but my sister and now my brother are both journalists for the local small town paper where I grew up.<br /><br />Ocean Girl, at about that level, yes.<br /><br />Richard Prosch, and in this world some day he might be my boss! Or yours! Be afraid, be very afraid.<br /><br />Bernita, From what I hear from editors they certainly are. I always made sure from the very beginning to check out guidelines and follow them. My experience with APA style in grad school assisted me with that!<br /><br />Mary Witzl, the thing I wish I saw more of in my students is curiosity. Growing up, I was curious about everything almost, but a lot of students that I have seem to have narrow ranges of curiosity.Charles Gramlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052592247572253641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-73480840588265017492010-01-27T09:30:57.211-06:002010-01-27T09:30:57.211-06:00Jesus wept. There are times you really wonder what...Jesus wept. There are times you really wonder what goes on in some people's minds. <br /><br />My students give every appearance of hearing and understanding what I tell them over and over. They even interrupt me with "We know, we know!" when I'm trying to explain something fiddly. Later, I find that they had no idea what I was trying to say. But I suspect there is a huge difference between our students, and it's not just the language thing.Mary Witzlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06458299046574564155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-50813680768246340082010-01-27T09:17:10.339-06:002010-01-27T09:17:10.339-06:00Beginning writers are often the same, aren't t...Beginning writers are often the same, aren't they, in ignoring the stated guidelines?Bernitahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05264585685253812090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-50435533973646866972010-01-27T08:07:41.274-06:002010-01-27T08:07:41.274-06:00Amazing. And this person has already skated to the...Amazing. And this person has already skated to the brink of independent adulthood with that kind of work ethic.Richard Proschhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08314680709014254183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-46828299148162411052010-01-27T06:20:41.818-06:002010-01-27T06:20:41.818-06:00Is this like my dog ate my homework?Is this like my dog ate my homework?Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02399300464457820101noreply@blogger.com