tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post6208487764095466720..comments2024-02-12T17:59:33.534-06:00Comments on RAZORED ZEN: A Strange ExperimentCharles Gramlichhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02052592247572253641noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-61516592808602289402012-11-20T04:53:38.965-06:002012-11-20T04:53:38.965-06:00Had a nice read :) thanks! lol @ laughingwolf! Had a nice read :) thanks! lol @ laughingwolf! SaM-GiRLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15490387594928438241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-8700521141179113132012-11-20T00:02:37.927-06:002012-11-20T00:02:37.927-06:00Charles, thanks for the long reply to my comment. ...Charles, thanks for the long reply to my comment. I was asking about "play," because the word implies some sort of intention, and I'm not sure how you ascribe intention to animal behavior whose purpose is not as obvious as food, sex, and protection. Just curious; I don't have a point there.<br /><br />The results of research are not just findings but interpretations of those findings. Even among scientists, there's an opportunity for bias in the interpretation, especially when the bias is built into the design of the study itself. <br /><br />That's a bias of my own I guess, and feel free to talk me down from it.Ron Scheerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15357501069513854664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-82351242522734432732012-11-19T12:04:25.375-06:002012-11-19T12:04:25.375-06:00Excellent. And fascinating. Excellent. And fascinating. Erik Donald Francehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02332500850365598564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-75212372291736948992012-11-19T11:10:41.635-06:002012-11-19T11:10:41.635-06:00Oscar, I imagine so.
Oscar, I imagine so.<br />Charles Gramlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052592247572253641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-18972883482212185582012-11-18T16:55:13.669-06:002012-11-18T16:55:13.669-06:00Before WWII it was trucks/cars and guns. During WW...Before WWII it was trucks/cars and guns. During WWII it was fighting the enemy anyway you could think of.Oscar Casehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10328166606910469945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-22690380153855076172012-11-18T13:08:36.973-06:002012-11-18T13:08:36.973-06:00Patti, I did one for Harmland called "The Gre...Patti, I did one for Harmland called "The Grey Within," about a researcher reacting to getting his work stolen.<br /><br />Laughingwolf, :)<br />Charles Gramlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052592247572253641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-87926951788107166732012-11-17T10:26:17.251-06:002012-11-17T10:26:17.251-06:00I love this kind of research. Thanks for sharing i...I love this kind of research. Thanks for sharing it. I did a story about a research scientist and how her life reflected her research findings. It was tremendous fun. Actually it was the title story for MONKEY JUSTICE. pattinase (abbott)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02916037185235335846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-72301456123635599772012-11-17T09:38:01.672-06:002012-11-17T09:38:01.672-06:00Jodi, certain roles, like those involving child re...Jodi, certain roles, like those involving child rearing fall naturally to females in the mammal kingdom just because of the biology, but as humans have shown men can take on nurturing roles and women can do other things as well. There's a lot of variability across the genders in the animal kingdom too.<br /><br />Ron, I think generally the researchers look at play behavior being those activities, especially in young animals, that do not directly involve food, sex, protection and other required survival behaviors. I'm not sure what you mean by "do" with the research. the comparative psychologists I know publish their results in journals and try to build on their findings. They don't make political policy. I don't know a single comparative psychologist who would use this kind of data to advocate a return to some kind of mythical "traditional" values, if that is what you are thinking about. In fact all the ones I know, and I myself fall on the edge of this field, are social liberals whose knowledge of animal behavior enhances their understanding of the wide variability in the animal and human behavioral world.<br /><br />Laughingwolf, they have never heard of you either. :)<br /><br />Travis Cody, just amazing stuff.Charles Gramlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052592247572253641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-77946659907848163932012-11-16T20:43:11.880-06:002012-11-16T20:43:11.880-06:00That's fascinating. Methinks I might need to ...That's fascinating. Methinks I might need to read more science.Travis Codyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06192526507760146748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-64241396591283384412012-11-16T15:44:08.506-06:002012-11-16T15:44:08.506-06:00never heard of pervert monkeys before... oh, wait....never heard of pervert monkeys before... oh, wait.... :P<br /><br />as for the pot; light it, inhale deep, hold in lungs a beat or three... :Olaughingwolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08873675614347328116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-22881939267559291822012-11-16T13:30:39.864-06:002012-11-16T13:30:39.864-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ron Scheerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15357501069513854664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-1937876709286379252012-11-16T13:30:39.224-06:002012-11-16T13:30:39.224-06:00It would be interesting to know what these monkeys...It would be interesting to know what these monkeys "play with" in their natural environment. And how would you distinguish between what's "play" and what's not? <br /><br />As someone who was normally an out-lier in most distribution curves, I'm always suspicious of what people do with the results of research like this. Or, for that matter, the researchers who design the experiments.Ron Scheerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15357501069513854664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-38432950660939179382012-11-16T13:21:00.724-06:002012-11-16T13:21:00.724-06:00Charles-I think male and female roles were establi...Charles-I think male and female roles were established early in apes. It's human adaptability that mixes it up a little.jodihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01798858210138821711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-82588410278351060502012-11-16T13:13:05.167-06:002012-11-16T13:13:05.167-06:00Mark, as long as I get to be in charge. :)
Prasha...Mark, as long as I get to be in charge. :)<br /><br />Prashant, I'm sure that is the case. The trait that was inherited though is, I think, the tendency for males to respond more strongly to movement than females.Charles Gramlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052592247572253641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-79637469223919584382012-11-16T11:55:58.841-06:002012-11-16T11:55:58.841-06:00Charles, could it be that humans developed certain...Charles, could it be that humans developed certain traits from monkeys, such as boys playing with cars and girls with dolls? If humans originated from primates, then I guess we owe some of our behavioural traits to them as well.Prashant C. Trikannadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16079354501998741758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-1803243967392757262012-11-16T08:01:17.432-06:002012-11-16T08:01:17.432-06:00I'm good with us turning our cultures into Mat...I'm good with us turning our cultures into Matriarchal.the walking manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10058913927297370740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-51610414028949163302012-11-15T21:16:14.500-06:002012-11-15T21:16:14.500-06:00Lisa, as a kid I mostly played war games I will ha...Lisa, as a kid I mostly played war games I will have to admit.<br /><br />Cloudia, one of these days maybe I will. :)<br /><br />Golden Eagle, I find the whole field of comparative psychology very fascinating. I developed a class in it.Charles Gramlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052592247572253641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-3491562238327968422012-11-15T20:43:48.375-06:002012-11-15T20:43:48.375-06:00It's fascinating what can be revealed about hu...It's fascinating what can be revealed about human behavior through studies done on other animals.Golden Eaglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08721520451194318436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-10944925231585080462012-11-15T20:35:49.315-06:002012-11-15T20:35:49.315-06:00Brief and mind-opening, Charles.
You should seriou...Brief and mind-opening, Charles.<br />You should seriously consider teaching. . . <br /><br />Our commonality with animals will be the story of coming years. . . <br /><br /><br /><br />Aloha !<br /><a href="http://comfortspiral.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Comfort Spiral</a><br /> <br /> ~ > < } } ( ° ><br /><br />> < 3 3 3 ( ' > <br /> Cloudiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05853753108637831069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-87057746866471858032012-11-15T20:29:51.259-06:002012-11-15T20:29:51.259-06:00This is great expression of thoughts Charles. I e...This is great expression of thoughts Charles. I enjoyed reading it, not just for the fascinating points but how you describe them. I wonder what I liked to play with when I was little, yes I liked to play cooking. And we made our own spoons and plates too, from pieces of wood, coconut shells and mussel shells.Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02399300464457820101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-70178130768113561392012-11-15T19:45:37.500-06:002012-11-15T19:45:37.500-06:00Merisi, tis true.
Deka, do you really need an exc...Merisi, tis true.<br /><br />Deka, do you really need an excuse? :)<br /><br />Bernard, thanks, man.<br /><br />Ivan, yeah but your dolls are breathing.<br /><br />David J., I loved wheeled things when I was a kid, and my son did too.<br />Charles Gramlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052592247572253641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-70246704031288431372012-11-15T17:41:42.474-06:002012-11-15T17:41:42.474-06:00My daughter used to cuddle toy trucks, but also ba...My daughter used to cuddle toy trucks, but also barbies.<br /><br />But the boys never cared for the barbies.nephite blood spartan hearthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17092519999184585295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-61996117170949782932012-11-15T17:39:03.659-06:002012-11-15T17:39:03.659-06:00Golly!
It must be arrested development.
I am an h...Golly!<br />It must be arrested development.<br /><br />I am an hysterically young 74, and I still play with dolls.<br />(Signed "Will Bragg?")ivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05662075375182633162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-80796888330612421032012-11-15T16:01:40.660-06:002012-11-15T16:01:40.660-06:00Some things in nature are undeniable. Good post.Some things in nature are undeniable. Good post.BernardLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09722619048888613647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-31696048330910019482012-11-15T15:43:55.425-06:002012-11-15T15:43:55.425-06:00Charles, if is one reason, then i have a wonderful...Charles, if is one reason, then i have a wonderful excuse to play basketball with the laundry and the washing machine!Deka Blackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08328847551867893941noreply@blogger.com