tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post3349759228251055880..comments2024-02-12T17:59:33.534-06:00Comments on RAZORED ZEN: Comic Books Part DeuxCharles Gramlichhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02052592247572253641noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-36254490104577756762008-06-10T11:20:00.000-05:002008-06-10T11:20:00.000-05:00I guess some people just cannot picture some thing...I guess some people just cannot picture some things in their minds. I think that with some things we have to be given a rough visualization of a thing, person or place- otherwise everything would be Raymond Carveresque, limited detail with a lot of imagination used to picture what was being written about. I'm not a fan of comics because I dislike reading things in pictures- I'd rather read and conceive my own picture. See the faces of the characters with my own mind. For others I suppose that comics books are the best books- they give you the pictures and leave less work for your brain to do!Cherihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16211983897122722800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-11348270296165298762008-06-09T14:36:00.000-05:002008-06-09T14:36:00.000-05:00Then there is also the risk that they'll be horrib...Then there is also the risk that they'll be horrible crap like the Anita Blake graphic tales are. *shudders* Wouldn't wish that on you, Charles!writtenwyrddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02280711822302493122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-70567721382262686512008-06-09T13:50:00.000-05:002008-06-09T13:50:00.000-05:00Writtenwyrd, oh indeed, there would be a lot of fo...Writtenwyrd, oh indeed, there would be a lot of folks involved in a graphic novel adaptation. It would be more like a movie, I guess, where a group of folks work on the same project. Could I give up that kind of control? I don't know.Charles Gramlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052592247572253641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-34954418275306352402008-06-09T11:19:00.000-05:002008-06-09T11:19:00.000-05:00PS, I used to work with a guy who drew comics on t...PS, I used to work with a guy who drew comics on the side. He did a few Marvels. I talked with him about doing a comic book sometime, and he was willing back then. Needless to say, I got distracted by moving to Maine and never got around to finishing up the idea. <BR/><BR/>My (limited) understanding is that you have the pencil sketch guy, the inker, the colorist, the lettering person, the cover artist, and the writer. Not all the same people wear these hats. More labor and hands touch comics than it might seem.<BR/><BR/>The process might be to get someone interested in the story, then get them to publish it, doing the drawings and you do the script.writtenwyrddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02280711822302493122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-3983795630071106372008-06-09T11:13:00.000-05:002008-06-09T11:13:00.000-05:00It's simple, Charles: Have the Talera Cycle done u...It's simple, Charles: Have the Talera Cycle done up as a series of graphic novels! Then some of these guys will read teh actual books! <BR/><BR/>The books would lend themselves to being done that way, too.writtenwyrddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02280711822302493122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-61591236177616264902008-06-09T09:59:00.000-05:002008-06-09T09:59:00.000-05:00Ivan, the story of my writing life. No ones readin...Ivan, the story of my writing life. No ones reading what I'm dishing out.<BR/><BR/>Chris Eldin, for me, if the writing is good the images in a comic are distracting not helpful. If the writing is weak then them images are certainly important and I may spend more time studying them than the words.<BR/><BR/>Sam, I went through a very short face of getting comics and I liked The Fantastic Four and Silver Surfer. I loaned most of my collection to a fellow who absconded with them. Turns out I had some that later were worth decent money.<BR/><BR/>Heff, I'd have to find someone that could draw comics. Looks pretty tough to me.Charles Gramlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052592247572253641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-88954056379703696992008-06-09T09:00:00.000-05:002008-06-09T09:00:00.000-05:00Visual stimuli. That pretty much said it all. Tran...Visual stimuli. That pretty much said it all. Transform your books into comics, and reap the goldmine.Heffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13396114362826135207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-92116254573016127092008-06-09T05:41:00.000-05:002008-06-09T05:41:00.000-05:00I love comics. I wish I kept the ones I had as a k...I love comics. I wish I kept the ones I had as a kid (we moved too much though to take them with us) and I wonder if my uncle still has his collection. We'd go to the drugstore every Saturday to get our weekly fix (I'm dating myself but...) My favorite was Captain America and Spiderman, my brother got Batman or The Phantom, and my sister liked the Silver Surfer or Superman. We'd read ours, then swap.Samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05943062466398436785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-28563636009392487062008-06-08T23:38:00.000-05:002008-06-08T23:38:00.000-05:00Interesting. I've never read a comic book, but jus...Interesting. I've never read a comic book, but just finished reading a novel written/illustrated in comic book style. It's called "Perseopolis." I may have the spelling wrong.<BR/>It's written in first person by an Iranian woman who went to high school in Austria, then returned to a fundamentalist Iran, then left again. It's a brilliant story, and I LOVED what the comic drawings added to the story. <BR/>I'm thinking this medium is under-utilized.Chris Eldinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11794946908789120139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-76015288830650221152008-06-08T23:07:00.000-05:002008-06-08T23:07:00.000-05:00Steve Malley's onto something. In the United State...Steve Malley's onto something.<BR/><BR/> In the United States the manga market was $175–200 million;in Japan, billions upon billions.<BR/>No wonder the overground American publishers are salivating.ivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05662075375182633162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-25420908323652407932008-06-08T22:20:00.000-05:002008-06-08T22:20:00.000-05:00Monique, I've never heard of that one. Must be Br...Monique, I've never heard of that one. Must be British, I guess.<BR/><BR/>Sidney, it's been much longer than that for me. I'm enjoying some of it but I don't think it's going to replace regular books anytime soon.<BR/><BR/>Ello, it would be kind of cool.<BR/><BR/>Erik, there are two not far from me that are both dedicated primarily to comics, though each has a section for gaming.Charles Gramlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052592247572253641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-34076652819363313832008-06-08T17:54:00.000-05:002008-06-08T17:54:00.000-05:00We had a great comic book and used records store i...We had a great comic book and used records store in Chapel Hill. I hope it's still there.<BR/><BR/>There is one still battling for survival in Detroit, on Mack Ave, next to a mom and grocery store. They battle over their street signs in a most peculiar way. Makes one notice them, certainly.Erik Donald Francehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02332500850365598564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-74358114507001641172008-06-08T14:41:00.000-05:002008-06-08T14:41:00.000-05:00If you can do a graphic novel version of your seri...If you can do a graphic novel version of your series that would work great!Ello - Ellen Ohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18311917335471167591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-41769496128157118502008-06-08T14:05:00.000-05:002008-06-08T14:05:00.000-05:00Man I guess it's four or five years since I did so...Man I guess it's four or five years since I did some serious comic book reading. Gets expensive quick.<BR/><BR/>I read a pretty good sequence of Hulk stories back them and enjoyed them but haven't followed a lot of the more recent stories.<BR/><BR/>Our local comics shop recently had to move because of troubles with the shopping center where he was housed. Fortunately he found a similarly priced place and didn't have to go out of business.<BR/><BR/>Wowoi is a great source of comics non-Marvel and DC. They also have some classic science fiction now too, older stuff by Poul Anderson and others. I just got one called Druid's Planet.Sidneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16284680909152676159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-56999054469181100542008-06-08T12:56:00.000-05:002008-06-08T12:56:00.000-05:00It's always humor I'm after and I have to go to Ho...It's always humor I'm after and I have to go to Holland to find the 'Flater" comics I absolutely adore. This is set in a publishing house and Flater is the junior worker and whatever he does, always with the best intentions, will go wrong. His cat and laughing gull are also prominent in the stories. The drawings are funny, the writing is funny and I have now quite a collection.<BR/><BR/>I guess the old ones from the seventies are now quite collectable.Moniquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09349799166295592394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-87472261133007200822008-06-08T10:55:00.000-05:002008-06-08T10:55:00.000-05:00Randy Johnson, you know, I'm not sure I'd even buy...Randy Johnson, you know, I'm not sure I'd even buy a Taleran graphic novel. If I couldn't draw the images myself I can't imagine that someone else would see what I see. A graphic novel would be much more of a collaborative work. I'm the same way about Superman as you. Unless a victory comes hard, then where is the conflict that drives the story?<BR/><BR/>Mark, yes, some of the stuff I've seen is really porn. But even many of the non-porn ones that I've seen put very young looking individuals into sexually charged positions and situations. And this is from just sort of randomly picking up manga's at Borders.Charles Gramlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052592247572253641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-51193966813507673302008-06-08T03:13:00.000-05:002008-06-08T03:13:00.000-05:00Sexualized Japanese comics..yep they are. One of t...Sexualized Japanese comics..yep they are. One of the sons has spent months in Japan and his "bring backs" are not western romantic, but Japanese R rated erotic.the walking manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10058913927297370740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-53516841572967306282008-06-08T02:51:00.000-05:002008-06-08T02:51:00.000-05:00Doubt! Sorry about that.Doubt! Sorry about that.Randy Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16627907086811387527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-32844805555857413122008-06-08T02:49:00.000-05:002008-06-08T02:49:00.000-05:00Sometimes I think comics are strictly for the youn...Sometimes I think comics are strictly for the young male(the superhero aspect already discussed) and all the female characters seem to have-ahem-healthy lungs(that's what we used to say when I was young; I just barely remember)<BR/>You mentioned, Charles, how the Hulk became less interesting when he got powerful. I always had the same problem with Superman. I mean when a guy can change the orbit of a planet with only minimal effort, where's the risk that drives the story?<BR/>I don't buy comics anymore. The last was a Conan graphic novel six months ago, the first in years, and that was only because it was written by Joe Lansdale.<BR/>A Talera comic might work if you could sell it to a company. I'm not sure I would buy it though. I've already got my own images of Talera in my head, as has everyone who's read the books. I dougt any two of them will match.<BR/>The mind can do far greater graphic work than any other medium. We're not constrained by monetary costs, just the limits of our imaginations.Randy Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16627907086811387527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-8438615142579141512008-06-08T00:23:00.000-05:002008-06-08T00:23:00.000-05:00Steve, I've picked up a few manga in our local boo...Steve, I've picked up a few manga in our local bookstore. I have no idea if they are typical or not but they surely seemed to be highly sexualized. Some were also pretty violent. As for a graphics adaptation I know next to nothing about the field. I'm completely out of my depth in comics.<BR/><BR/>Bernita, I also like my own visuals better than I imagine I would someone else's images. I like the visual aspect of writing a great deal, which is probably why I like description.<BR/><BR/>Mary Witzl, I don't see anything wrong with reading some comics or manga but I wonder why that's "all" folks read. And if someone is reading it because they can't visualize then that is definitely a weakness it seems to me.<BR/><BR/>Julie, I'm so out of the loop on comics that sometimes I'm not even sure how to read the panels, which direction things go in. In can be awkward.<BR/><BR/>Christina, did you like the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen movie? Great visuals in it but I didn't fall in love with it.<BR/><BR/>Laughingwolf, you're right about the money for promotion. There's so much product on the market it's hard for anything to rise above in the crowd.<BR/><BR/>Barbara Martin, I certainly wish I could draw myself. I've got great ideas for that sort of thing but no art technique worth a damn, and Lana's art is quite different from comic book art.<BR/><BR/>Lana, do you think they're ready?Charles Gramlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052592247572253641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-20553641330911076812008-06-08T00:00:00.000-05:002008-06-08T00:00:00.000-05:00Tell 'em about Capt. America!!!Tell 'em about Capt. America!!!Lana Gramlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06975996208260144558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-42790419647241562332008-06-07T20:31:00.001-05:002008-06-07T20:31:00.001-05:00There's your answer, Charles. A graphic novel for ...There's your answer, Charles. A graphic novel for your book series. Go for it!Barbara Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00610140328527165017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-2507345699147160522008-06-07T20:31:00.000-05:002008-06-07T20:31:00.000-05:00no argument from me, charles...can you hook up wit...no argument from me, charles...<BR/><BR/>can you hook up with an artist or two, and collaborate for graphic novels of your talera books? <BR/><BR/>christopher should know many...<BR/><BR/>if you can believe the 'news', rowling's potter series had many boys turned on to reading<BR/><BR/>if that's true, they should have graduated into 'mature' books by now, it's been more than seven years since the first<BR/><BR/>like most things these days, promotion seems the way to go, but who has the $$$?laughingwolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08873675614347328116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-55175342406027064802008-06-07T19:28:00.000-05:002008-06-07T19:28:00.000-05:00I would like to collect a few some more comics. I'...I would like to collect a few some more comics. I'm not sure when was the last time I walked into a comic book store. I like the Hulk movies, a few of the Hulk television shows, but I'm not sure I'd get a comic book unless it was with League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.LoveRundlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01177659277273835858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-55465985973594537842008-06-07T16:59:00.000-05:002008-06-07T16:59:00.000-05:00Interesting - IT offspring browses masses of comic...Interesting - IT offspring browses masses of comic strips (xkcd etc) - reckons it gives the numerate side of his brain a break.virtualjourneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10653404509129835617noreply@blogger.com