tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post8144073999728653948..comments2024-02-12T17:59:33.534-06:00Comments on RAZORED ZEN: A Fascinating Tidbit:Charles Gramlichhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02052592247572253641noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-68390611191226848302012-03-16T08:13:07.825-05:002012-03-16T08:13:07.825-05:00G, it's pretty new. Some aspects of it used t...G, it's pretty new. Some aspects of it used to be called sociobiology.Charles Gramlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052592247572253641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-17156167850206322732012-03-16T05:14:13.210-05:002012-03-16T05:14:13.210-05:00Wow, that's pretty interesting stuff. Shows h...Wow, that's pretty interesting stuff. Shows how much I know... I majored in psychology, and I didn't even know there was a field called "evolutionary psychology."Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15344808703550376121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-50930629588392573512012-03-15T20:37:04.791-05:002012-03-15T20:37:04.791-05:00Travis cody, amen, brother.
Steve malley, yep ind...Travis cody, amen, brother.<br /><br />Steve malley, yep indeed.Charles Gramlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052592247572253641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-27194407566425759382012-03-15T15:56:55.241-05:002012-03-15T15:56:55.241-05:00That is indeed kind of cool... :pThat is indeed kind of cool... :pSteve Malleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17561234111786788616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-51426229164131226082012-03-14T22:40:35.624-05:002012-03-14T22:40:35.624-05:00Sciences is pretty dang cool.Sciences is pretty dang cool.Travis Codyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06192526507760146748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-85519761665439430032012-03-14T18:59:00.142-05:002012-03-14T18:59:00.142-05:00Laughingwolf, a woman's hormonal responses to ...Laughingwolf, a woman's hormonal responses to pregnancy changes across pregnancies, which could be why younger sons are somewhat more likely to be gay than older sons. At least so the thinking goes.<br /><br />David Cranmer, I'm coming upon lots of cool tidbits in this book.Charles Gramlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052592247572253641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-25831987452437235692012-03-14T18:44:03.451-05:002012-03-14T18:44:03.451-05:00Very intriguing, Charles.Very intriguing, Charles.David Cranmerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04749857752139212888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-22334183099477800282012-03-14T16:53:51.342-05:002012-03-14T16:53:51.342-05:00hah... posted before i read mark's comment.......hah... posted before i read mark's comment....laughingwolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08873675614347328116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-37782617328097984322012-03-14T16:51:23.908-05:002012-03-14T16:51:23.908-05:00not at all surprising to me, charles, since it was...not at all surprising to me, charles, since it was determined some years back the 'family line' is carried on through the female, ie. mother and her daughters, not the sons as was previously thought<br /><br />that would partly explain why so many tribes were matriarchal; the women as 'chiefs' and other lead positions, including 'medicine women'... <br /><br />often the gay son was seen as one with 'special spiritual powers', if mostly shunned<br /><br />dunno if it's true, but somewhere i heard: of four sons, one will almost certainly be gay - not heard if it's the same with daughters<br /><br />a friend has four sons, one is bi - maybe that counts?<br /><br />then there's the finding - many birds/animals are queer... others, hermaphroditic... not heard the same about plants/insects; none are something i've researched <br /><br />i suspect you're correct on the 'hormonal effects'laughingwolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08873675614347328116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-47387213598164744262012-03-14T14:14:14.994-05:002012-03-14T14:14:14.994-05:00Mark, yes there are various traits, including pers...Mark, yes there are various traits, including personality traits that are passed through the female side. I agree absolutely with you last statement. Such beings wouldn't be humans as we understand them.Charles Gramlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052592247572253641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-43852051450372089482012-03-14T08:24:05.785-05:002012-03-14T08:24:05.785-05:00I would have to go with the gene or trait or whate...I would have to go with the gene or trait or whatever it is being passed from the female line. simply because there are other trait, like male pattern baldness that are passed from the mother to the son.<br /><br /><br />I have always though that homosexuality was an inborn trait not a nurtured phenomena.<br /><br />As for exterminating the gay gene from the human genome then we would ALL regardless of orientation no longer be able to be quantified as truly human but some genus of of what used to be human.the walking manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10058913927297370740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-5141353771593718872012-03-14T08:18:09.783-05:002012-03-14T08:18:09.783-05:00Ivan, I wonder if the estrangement is partially re...Ivan, I wonder if the estrangement is partially religiously based. Seems kind of odd.<br /><br />Prashant, it's very interesting to me, but then I'm a biology fellow at heart.Charles Gramlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052592247572253641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-92176574049433925062012-03-14T06:37:02.235-05:002012-03-14T06:37:02.235-05:00Charles, a very fascinating theory! "The gene...Charles, a very fascinating theory! "The genetic aspects of male homosexuality could be carried down through the maternal rather than the paternal lines..." I hadn't thought of this aspect of homosexuality. Thanks for the scholarly post and comments.Prashant C. Trikannadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16079354501998741758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-14378650307697464132012-03-13T21:37:13.618-05:002012-03-13T21:37:13.618-05:00This kind of jogs me, as a journeyman neurotic.
I...This kind of jogs me, as a journeyman neurotic.<br /><br />I know two and two is four, but I don't like it.<br /><br />Sidebar:... "in the US, male homosexuals often report greater estrangement from their relative."<br /><br />Hm. Old Calypso song: "I wonder why nobody don't like me."ivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05662075375182633162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-38946860498876622252012-03-13T21:33:56.407-05:002012-03-13T21:33:56.407-05:00Richard, thanks, man.Richard, thanks, man.Charles Gramlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052592247572253641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-35081561505165583102012-03-13T19:49:05.582-05:002012-03-13T19:49:05.582-05:00Interesting topic, indeed. I appreciate your schol...Interesting topic, indeed. I appreciate your scholarship as much as your fiction. You're a renaissance man, my friend.Richard Proschhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08314680709014254183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-59275749693175305802012-03-13T19:38:41.916-05:002012-03-13T19:38:41.916-05:00Chris, hey, man, long time no see. I'll check...Chris, hey, man, long time no see. I'll check it out. But you're right.Charles Gramlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052592247572253641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-19861488369702281812012-03-13T19:17:42.590-05:002012-03-13T19:17:42.590-05:00Fascinating actually. And reminds us again what we...Fascinating actually. And reminds us again what we miss when we forget the female half of humanity...Just finished reading, along these lines, Mothers and Others - which I think you might like: http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/269017991Chris Benjaminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00402945887045545024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-86878750981961774272012-03-13T14:43:21.766-05:002012-03-13T14:43:21.766-05:00Ron, I think, although I know it won't be true...Ron, I think, although I know it won't be true for everyone, that if we begin to look at homosexuality as a "natural" behavior that is as biologically based as heterosexuality, then we will start to see an acceptance of the differences without looking for some simple "choice" that such an individual might have made.Charles Gramlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052592247572253641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-33126480605938950112012-03-13T14:28:07.228-05:002012-03-13T14:28:07.228-05:00Thanks for generating the discussion, Charles. It&...Thanks for generating the discussion, Charles. It's an important one.Ron Scheerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15357501069513854664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-13343039863870576912012-03-13T08:40:36.997-05:002012-03-13T08:40:36.997-05:00JR., indeed I would imagine.
Angie, I knew about ...JR., indeed I would imagine.<br /><br />Angie, I knew about the birth order effect, but hadn't thought about the "intruder" effect essentially. I'd have to give that some thought. Fascinating idea. Age of pregnancy might have something to do with it as well.Charles Gramlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052592247572253641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-27613603543586355042012-03-13T06:06:01.215-05:002012-03-13T06:06:01.215-05:00I remember seeing a TV show (with John Barrowman d...I remember seeing a TV show (with John Barrowman doing that episode, although I can't find it on his IMDB listing now) where they were investigating homosexuality. One of the things they discussed is that in men, a guy's more likely to be gay if he has older brothers. They said that a woman's body responds to a male fetus as an intruder, in a way; similar to how the immune system responds to a virus or something. It "attacks" hormonally, trying to make the thing more like itself. (I'm probably remembering badly, but hopefully you get the idea.)<br /><br />As with other immune responses, once a body's been exposed to that particular type of invader, the next response will be stronger. So a second son is more likely to succumb to the hormonal attacks, as it were, and a third even more, etc. There's probably a genetic component in how the woman's system responds, and how strongly? [ponder]<br /><br />Anyway, John's an only son, but they talked to his mom on the show and found out that she'd had a miscarriage before he was born, and that it would've been an older brother. Clearly not all second sons are gay, but it was interesting that it did work out in John's case, and he didn't know before the show. (Or I assume, before they started setting up for the show; they likely mentioned the birth-order thing and talked to his mom, then set up the filmed conversation to repeat it, since it was relevant in his case.)<br /><br />But if this is one of the mechanisms for producing a gay man, then it might be a case of the cause and effect being reversed -- rather than gay men having female relatives who are more fertile, maybe more fertile women are more likely to have homosexual sons, and other male relatives, because their body's hormonal response gets a bit stronger each time they're pregnant with a boy.<br /><br />AngieAngiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920578701763415331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-63267040754758959922012-03-12T22:50:32.073-05:002012-03-12T22:50:32.073-05:00This is definitely a heavy, thought-provoking theo...This is definitely a heavy, thought-provoking theory ... I'm sure it'll generate all kinds of opinions too.JR's Thumbprintshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10479324326541901987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-50245594282548044392012-03-12T20:39:29.133-05:002012-03-12T20:39:29.133-05:00Deka, it is a sensitive subject. I do try to teach...Deka, it is a sensitive subject. I do try to teach the complexity of the topic to my students, most of whom aren't really clear on it.<br /><br />Merisi, I'm not sure how old the idea is. I only heard of it recently. I don't think it's very old though.<br /><br />Golden Eagle, science is kinda cool.<br /><br />Eric1313, definitely not a gay gene. an interaction between certain combinations of genes, and hormone levels during specific periods. And the one thing it shows, to me, is that all human beings are a complex byproduct of biology and environment, and all of them are "natural," though not all the same.Charles Gramlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052592247572253641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-49353583967261281322012-03-12T20:31:08.748-05:002012-03-12T20:31:08.748-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.eric1313https://www.blogger.com/profile/13807078704660045859noreply@blogger.com