tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post3672017209935184726..comments2024-02-12T17:59:33.534-06:00Comments on RAZORED ZEN: Styx versus The PriestCharles Gramlichhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02052592247572253641noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-65373857843086227392024-02-12T17:59:33.534-06:002024-02-12T17:59:33.534-06:00Absolutely. Absolutely. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-76579622198448264912023-04-07T18:57:22.214-05:002023-04-07T18:57:22.214-05:00Nuce referenceNuce referenceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-22977411248254829952022-11-23T20:11:34.812-06:002022-11-23T20:11:34.812-06:00I thought the same thing a few years ago. Same exp...I thought the same thing a few years ago. Same experience! Awesome! 🤘🏻Jason Rasphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05153323053915378970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-80559133170250142342019-11-14T16:55:29.848-06:002019-11-14T16:55:29.848-06:00My experience is very similar to John D's, but...My experience is very similar to John D's, but I'm only an amateur musician - guitar and bass, not a composer or guitar teacher. I'm much more knowledgeable of Priest's catalog than Styx'. In fact, I had never really noticed "Suite Madame Blue" before today. I was floored and did a double take because I wondered if it it was "Suite Madame Blue" on the YouTube Styx Greatest Hits (1995) playlist or Judas Priest's "Beyond the Realms of Death". That being said, there are so many common themes in rock, such as the chord progressions on both songs remind me of Led Zeppelin's "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" and Chicago's "25 or 6 to 4". <br /><br />I have more respect for the music of Styx after hearing "Suite Madame Blue" and "Miss America"bearkathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15090790444232174519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-56329841903100632162013-07-14T18:44:37.666-05:002013-07-14T18:44:37.666-05:00It is completely the same riff...even the long del...It is completely the same riff...even the long delayed note that is used on ending of the solo (Judas Priest) is the same long note used on the keyboards (Styx).<br /><br />I am a musician, guitarist, composer, and a guitar teacher. I came to this blog because I searched for both the titles of these songs "Suite Madame Blue" "Beyond the realms of death"<br />I came here because I was intrigued when I first listened to the Styx song (which I have to admit I am a Priest fan and have nothing in common with Progressive Rock other than the early Rush). So...I am not the only one saying these 2 masterpieces have common elements...and to my musical opinion Judas Priest have ripped off this song for its beautiful sound and due to their influence of Styx music.nouhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11436104564381555275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-8330116399996798292012-01-19T19:51:31.276-06:002012-01-19T19:51:31.276-06:00Erik, I'm sure that is true. I'm not a big...Erik, I'm sure that is true. I'm not a big listener of a wide range of music and probably most of the borrowing crosses genre lines.<br /><br />Golden Eagle, yes, quite a bit.<br /><br />L.A. Mitchell, that is true. Maybe I could email him! Great idea.<br /><br />Richard Godwin, if there's a rock and roll heaven you know they've got a helluva band. :)Charles Gramlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052592247572253641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-43750348340141180622012-01-19T14:11:03.131-06:002012-01-19T14:11:03.131-06:00Charles interesting. Much like the reverse lyrics ...Charles interesting. Much like the reverse lyrics they were accused of do you think somewhere Jimi Hendrix is playing guitar on a Blue Oyster Cult album?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-29223294215207367762012-01-18T22:04:54.737-06:002012-01-18T22:04:54.737-06:00Sounds like a good question for Eddie Trunk :) He&...Sounds like a good question for Eddie Trunk :) He'd know some obscure six-degrees of separation thread.L.A. Mitchellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11729129827211991040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-90493256000806035952012-01-18T17:19:42.953-06:002012-01-18T17:19:42.953-06:00They are rather similar to each other.They are rather similar to each other.Golden Eaglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08721520451194318436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-45621090191362692072012-01-18T11:44:15.296-06:002012-01-18T11:44:15.296-06:00It's the song-writer's well -- a little sa...It's the song-writer's well -- a little sampling here, a little similarity there, some floating lyrics and riffs here, an homage there . . .Erik Donald Francehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02332500850365598564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-37262396241858866072012-01-18T08:04:15.241-06:002012-01-18T08:04:15.241-06:00Chris, I wouldn't call them thieves either. I ...Chris, I wouldn't call them thieves either. I don't know how it came about. I just thought it was interesting. I imagine there is plenty of overlap in a lot of music. Plenty in writing as well, although there it's usually easier to tell if something has just been ripped off.<br /><br />Laughingwolf, Styx lost me with Mr. Roboto, which I thought was the goofiest thing I ever heard. I never bought another Styx album.<br /><br />Barrie, no, I haven't read it. I likely will at some point. Interesting. I'll have to keep that in mind when I do read the book.Charles Gramlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052592247572253641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-7167951114564780072012-01-18T00:16:19.081-06:002012-01-18T00:16:19.081-06:00Charles, have you by any chance read Stephen King&...Charles, have you by any chance read Stephen King's latest, 11/22/63? He has a great expression in his novel for what you discovered (and the expression is even better given that we're talking about music): It's harmonies.Barriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04678698296265168217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-87592213125733421682012-01-17T22:13:03.098-06:002012-01-17T22:13:03.098-06:00similar, but not the same...
styx did a whiny thi...similar, but not the same...<br /><br />styx did a whiny thing at one point, totally turning me off... priest was not that offensivelaughingwolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08873675614347328116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-87945444216587607682012-01-17T18:16:14.642-06:002012-01-17T18:16:14.642-06:00Originality is hard. I've been writing crappy ...Originality is hard. I've been writing crappy 3-4 chord rock songs for 25+ years. Anymore, if I come up with something remotely cool, I have to wrack my brain to make sure it isn't a) something I already wrote and recorded and forgot about, or 2) something someone else already wrote and recorded and I got stuck in my brain. It's a nightmare.<br /><br />Part of the folk/traditional tradition though is to rework older material. I wouldn't call those people "thieves" or ripoff artists. That's just how it works. I don't have a problem with it.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10070278104646895235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-64408492735533220232012-01-17T17:57:25.474-06:002012-01-17T17:57:25.474-06:00Ivan, considering that the basic riffs are limited...Ivan, considering that the basic riffs are limited, I'm surprised it doesn't happen even more. I guess it probably does, we just don't catch it. <br /><br />Sean, The Mr. Roboto thing was horrible. I stopped buying Styx then.<br /><br />Chris, true, I was wondering about that. Maybe so.<br /><br />Oscar, I don't imagine I'll ever solve it either.Charles Gramlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052592247572253641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-35629948796358967272012-01-17T14:56:24.668-06:002012-01-17T14:56:24.668-06:00It will remain a mystery to me, since I'm not ...It will remain a mystery to me, since I'm not into music, although I do like to listen to it occasionallyOscar Casehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10328166606910469945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-38970344673400784222012-01-17T14:17:40.231-06:002012-01-17T14:17:40.231-06:00Bob Dylan is also a master thief in this regard. B...Bob Dylan is also a master thief in this regard. Blowing in the Wind is from an old Paul Robeson tune about slavery. <br /><br />My guess is the songwriter took it on subconsciously (as Harrison did with "He's So Fine") and thought he was creating something new. Happens all the time.<br /><br />It is surprising though that Styx never raised a fuss about it. Maybe they riffed it from someone else.Chris Benjaminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00402945887045545024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-24118383536308910912012-01-17T13:20:17.198-06:002012-01-17T13:20:17.198-06:00Yeah, the riff is very similiar, but slowed down. ...Yeah, the riff is very similiar, but slowed down. As soon as I played the STYX song, I thought it was "Still Loving You" by the Scorpions. I used to dig STYX when the first came out but, man, did they jump the shark. Just saw them on a figure skating show this weekend. Tommy Shaw is still pretty cool.Sean Patrick Reardonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14051252366031997054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-32142068309942516452012-01-17T11:15:23.264-06:002012-01-17T11:15:23.264-06:00Though I know less about heavy metal than I should...Though I know less about heavy metal than I should as a one-time rock reviewer,<br />I was just about to echo Claudia, from Hawaii about unconscious plagiarism by musical artists.<br />I think if was The Supremes that sucessfully sued George Harrison.<br />Less obvious is Sting when he takes a traditional Chinese song and remankes it into "That's All."<br />And how many times have I heard The Supremes again in a U2 riff?<br />Even our great Gordon Lightfoot agrees that the smash hit, Edmund Fitzgrald was a take on an old Irish shanty. But it was still pure Lightfoot.<br />Former Sex Pistol Johnny Rotten was accused of something a decade ago.<br />I think he answered,"Screw you, dumb paparazzo. Stop bothering me. Get a guitar and write your own song."ivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05662075375182633162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-68189421197068857142012-01-17T08:11:00.254-06:002012-01-17T08:11:00.254-06:00Randy, I guess that one is just so recognizable to...Randy, I guess that one is just so recognizable to me, and it's relatively complicated. I hear the stuff in Zep's stuff too but usually simpler riffs. Intersting, though.Charles Gramlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052592247572253641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-21970573369085635322012-01-17T06:29:29.893-06:002012-01-17T06:29:29.893-06:00STAINED CLASS was the first Priest album I ever bo...STAINED CLASS was the first Priest album I ever bought. Never was that much of a Styx listener, even though I saw them live(my roommate at the time was a big fan).<br /><br />I do hear similarities in the two, though I look at as more unconscious picking up of riffs. You hear it all the time, especially in Zep's music. I hear chords from older stuff, except for the outright theft of one song.Randy Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16627907086811387527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-20664420924636007272012-01-16T21:09:56.125-06:002012-01-16T21:09:56.125-06:00Patti, Styx is a long way from Heavy metal. They&#...Patti, Styx is a long way from Heavy metal. They're rock, with some hard stuff. Mostly they are very melodic though. I bet you would like Suite Madam blue.<br /><br />Carole, Suite Madam Blue was my favorite song for a long time.<br /><br />Travis Cody, probably. I can't imagine Priest deliberately stealing something like that.<br /><br />Prashant, Styx is very melodic, with a lot of slow stuff. Although they have their fast moments. Try "Crystal Ball" by them, or "Loreli."<br /><br />Chris, I have a lot of Priest albums but not that one. they've got some incredible stuff.Charles Gramlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052592247572253641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-1229159311070587082012-01-16T14:36:24.435-06:002012-01-16T14:36:24.435-06:00Most importantly, this post has inspired me to lis...Most importantly, this post has inspired me to listen to <i>Stained Class</i> for my midday walk. Thanks, Charles!<br /><br />My last band covered the entire <i>British Steel</i> album from Judas Priest for a couple shows, just for the fun of it. It was a blast.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10070278104646895235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-85819238537883765542012-01-16T11:56:47.301-06:002012-01-16T11:56:47.301-06:00Charles, thanks for reminding me of "Suite Ma...Charles, thanks for reminding me of "Suite Madame Blue" which I'd heard a long time ago. I'd never listened to Judas Priest's "Beyond the Realms of Death" until now. At first the two songs sound very similar but not so much as you listen further. Given a choice I'll go with Styx. I'm going to have to listen to their other tracks. And Judas Priest too.Prashant C. Trikannadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16079354501998741758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28221839.post-11358255290092327382012-01-16T11:30:58.620-06:002012-01-16T11:30:58.620-06:00The songs are quite similar. The tempo of the Pri...The songs are quite similar. The tempo of the Priest song is much slower, but I can clearly hear the similarities.<br /><br />Maybe a subconscious thing?Travis Codyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06192526507760146748noreply@blogger.com